Comments on: Don’t Drown Mommy http://www.navalgazing.com/2008/03/05/dont-drown-mommy/ the perspective of a military family . . . the narcissism of a blog Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:03:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: gazer http://www.navalgazing.com/2008/03/05/dont-drown-mommy/#comment-49 gazer Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:14:09 +0000 http://www.navalgazing.com/2008/03/05/dont-drown-mommy/#comment-49 The President vetoed the bill, which would have limited the CIA to the interrogation methods in the Army manual. The Army manual finds some of these methods, including waterboarding, to be of limited value in collecting good intelligence. It seems to me that either we torture people or we don't, and the distinction between the Army and CIA is lost on other countries. From CNN: "Among the techniques the field manual prohibits are hooding prisoners or putting duct tape across their eyes, stripping them naked, forcing them to perform or mimic sexual acts, or beating, electrocuting, burning or otherwise physically hurting them. They may not be subjected to hypothermia or mock executions. It does not allow food, water and medical treatment to be withheld. Dogs may not be used in any aspect of interrogation. But waterboarding is the most high-profile and controversial of the interrogation methods in question. * * * [Waterboarding] has been traced back hundreds of years to the Spanish Inquisition and is condemned by nations around the world and human rights organizations as torture. * * * Others say that, even if legal, there are practical arguments against waterboarding: that its use would undermine the U.S. when arguing overseas for human rights and on other moral issues and would place Americans at greater risk of being tortured when captured. The President vetoed the bill, which would have limited the CIA to the interrogation methods in the Army manual. The Army manual finds some of these methods, including waterboarding, to be of limited value in collecting good intelligence. It seems to me that either we torture people or we don’t, and the distinction between the Army and CIA is lost on other countries.

From CNN:
“Among the techniques the field manual prohibits are hooding prisoners or putting duct tape across their eyes, stripping them naked, forcing them to perform or mimic sexual acts, or beating, electrocuting, burning or otherwise physically hurting them.

They may not be subjected to hypothermia or mock executions. It does not allow food, water and medical treatment to be withheld. Dogs may not be used in any aspect of interrogation.

But waterboarding is the most high-profile and controversial of the interrogation methods in question.
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[Waterboarding] has been traced back hundreds of years to the Spanish Inquisition and is condemned by nations around the world and human rights organizations as torture.

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Others say that, even if legal, there are practical arguments against waterboarding: that its use would undermine the U.S. when arguing overseas for human rights and on other moral issues and would place Americans at greater risk of being tortured when captured.

]]> By: Mark http://www.navalgazing.com/2008/03/05/dont-drown-mommy/#comment-46 Mark Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:44:49 +0000 http://www.navalgazing.com/2008/03/05/dont-drown-mommy/#comment-46 McCain is pathetic. His embrace of the radical right makes me sick. I lost a huge amount of respect for him when he hugged Bush after the 2000 primary. This was, you'll remember, after Bush and Rove insinuated to South Carolina voters that he had fathered a black love child. He could have told the truth there at the convention, but instead he hugged Bush. He sold his soul to the devil. Then, it was downhill from there. Before you knew it, he was speaking at Bob Jones University, making love to lobbyists, and embracing torture. McCain was a good man, and he could have been a great leader. Instead he decided to play ball with the fundamentalists. McCain is pathetic. His embrace of the radical right makes me sick. I lost a huge amount of respect for him when he hugged Bush after the 2000 primary. This was, you’ll remember, after Bush and Rove insinuated to South Carolina voters that he had fathered a black love child. He could have told the truth there at the convention, but instead he hugged Bush. He sold his soul to the devil. Then, it was downhill from there. Before you knew it, he was speaking at Bob Jones University, making love to lobbyists, and embracing torture. McCain was a good man, and he could have been a great leader. Instead he decided to play ball with the fundamentalists.

]]> By: kimba http://www.navalgazing.com/2008/03/05/dont-drown-mommy/#comment-43 kimba Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:54:08 +0000 http://www.navalgazing.com/2008/03/05/dont-drown-mommy/#comment-43 I do, too! But really, we all know the answer - and this debate is nothing short of shameful. I just want to push reset and go back to the (relatively) sane 1990's. 319 days. *sigh* I do, too! But really, we all know the answer - and this debate is nothing short of shameful. I just want to push reset and go back to the (relatively) sane 1990’s.

319 days. *sigh*

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